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Richard Peche
02-23-2014, 08:37 AM
I have around 30 of these guys. They are a cross between a pseudo L144 and a brown. I have been told by several people that technically these two won't breed. Clearly that is not the case.

So the two pics here are of the one I am keeping. The rest will be sold to my LFS when they reach 5cm. They are currently researching what they can classify it as and their best guess so far is that it is a 'pied ancistus'.

Any opinions on what these might be would be appreciated. I have scoured google images and found nothing that matches them.

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DoubleDutch
02-23-2014, 09:51 AM
Ancistrus cf Cirrhosus? They defo (inter)breed to me.

Richard Peche
02-23-2014, 10:34 AM
I think that would be the variation. Not too sure though.

What distinguishes them?

Richard Peche
02-23-2014, 10:49 AM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancistrus_cirrhosus

If this is the one we are referring to then mine are different. The article states a size of 8,9cm.

My female is around 10cm and the male is 13cm.

So maybe the female is but the male is too big to be that variation

Stingrayg4
02-23-2014, 01:50 PM
I have no idea what to call them, but that's a lovely pattern on those fish. Pity you're so far away, I would love to buy some of them from you. Ancistrus are among my very favorite aquarium fish.

-S

DoubleDutch
02-23-2014, 02:21 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancistrus_cirrhosus

If this is the one we are referring to then mine are different. The article states a size of 8,9cm.

My female is around 10cm and the male is 13cm.

So maybe the female is but the male is too big to be that variation

Nope Richard. See http://www.planetcatfish.com/common/species.php?species_id=49

Cf Cirrhosus is different than Cirrhosus. To my knowledge due to the several diffent ones / hybrids / crossbreeds aso. To my believe cf means "looking like" All the common BN's are cf Cirrhosus to me. Btw other Ancisterusspecies "L-numbers" will interbreed as well.3266032661

Richard Peche
02-23-2014, 02:26 PM
Thank you! I am keeping this one as I really want to see what an adult version will look like. I have made a gift of one to my contact at the lfs as the guy is an expert and has helped me out with many different things. He was over-the-moon :-). But it's nice to reward exceptional service and knowledge. I may also give one to a friend of mine, but only if his tank is up-to-scratch.

I am hoping that they will be worth a fair bit (considering that no one in SA has crossed these before) and then the funds can be used to get any supplies for my tanks as the year goes by. The Rand/Dollar exchange rate is raising prices quite dramatically.

Assuming a R10/$1 rate (it's higher at the moment) the store is offering me a minimum of $4,50 if they are only "normal" ancistrus and if they are the "pied" variety that could easily double or triple. They make between 75-100% markup.


Considering that I have 30 of them at least it should cover any fish-related expenses for a while.

Richard Peche
02-23-2014, 02:28 PM
How interesting!

So it could be a different colour morph of that species?

Richard Peche
02-23-2014, 02:30 PM
I know that the prices here vary dramatically between the common brown and the pseduo L144. The fact that mine had blue-eyes raised the price further as they are really uncommon here.

I wonder what these little guys will go for?

Richard Peche
02-23-2014, 02:37 PM
Another two of them. This colouration is pretty consistent across the spawn

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DeboraBremner
02-23-2014, 02:39 PM
Sounds like you're going to do very well with your little ones! Good for you....they are great looking plecos!

DoubleDutch
02-23-2014, 02:43 PM
How interesting!

So it could be a different colour morph of that species?

There are to me. Starting to doubt now I see these great pics hahaha. Ask Talldutchie, who is able to tell you more than I.

Richard Peche
02-23-2014, 02:53 PM
Well thanks for the compliment and for the help!

talldutchie
02-24-2014, 08:57 AM
There are to me. Starting to doubt now I see these great pics hahaha. Ask Talldutchie, who is able to tell you more than I.

Not that much to add since you said most of it.

ancistrus cf. cirrhosus is what we know as the common bristlenose. Amazingly enough this fish is traded all over the world but has never been formally described. There's some people that think this "common" might itself be a man made version.

Anyway, using the age old definition that if they can breed and produce fertile offspring then we see this ancistrus cf. cirrhosus now in these varieties
- normal
- calico
- albino
- albino blue eyed
- longfinned
- green dragon

And I'm sure I've missed a few. So, highly doubtful that this is a crossbreed. What you do have is a batch of nicely patterned ancistrus cf. cirrhosus

DoubleDutch
02-24-2014, 09:00 AM
Thanks TD !!! I did / do have a great teacher hahaha

Richard Peche
02-24-2014, 04:01 PM
Thanks!

Out of those options, which would these be most likely to be classified as?

talldutchie
02-24-2014, 06:12 PM
As "commons" I'm afraid. I've never heard of a special name for a nicely patterned somewhat blond normal ancistrus.

That's the thing with these. If you could breed a really outrageous colour variety you could make a few bucks but good looking healthy normal commons are extremely common in shops

Richard Peche
02-24-2014, 07:17 PM
Well maybe that will be worth a shot when I have some time to research it fully.

Interestingly, the store got very excited when I showed them the fry. They thought that they will be able to sell them for a fairly high price. I guess we will wait and see how the demand goes. I've seen really common fish go for quite high prices some times.

With a little luck, maybe it can be my fry that get the high price. Haha, one can dream :-)

DoubleDutch
02-25-2014, 07:44 AM
They are indeed nicely patterned, so though it's a common they'll be easy to sell I think. A store gets excited when that's the case I think.

So its a Ancistrus NP (nicely patterned) Cirrhosus hahaha. Great the store wants them.

Richard Peche
02-25-2014, 12:27 PM
The male
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The female (she has tiny golden hairs which are reflective under flash)
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A back view of the fry
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Side views
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Stingrayg4
02-25-2014, 02:21 PM
They certainly would sell quickly and for a higher than average price in any shop that I walked into. Good luck selling them, I'm betting they fetch a decent amount of money.

-S