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Valuta8
01-05-2014, 04:20 PM
So some of you may recognize my username, I'm the one having what I've called a "fish crisis" over a pair of angelfish I got from my science teacher. They're both male but have gotten along most of their life... in a small ten gallon tank. I now assum that the reason they weren't fighting before was that there wasn't enough room for them to get territorial. But now I'm afraid they're going to kill each other in the 40 gallon tank....
What should I do? It's the smaller one harassing the bigger one. I have a fifteen gallon but i don't have room for two aquariums. Should I go surrender the smaller one to petco?
I feel so bad for my black one, he's so out of breath... the little one has been chasing him around.
Please help

sheamurai
01-05-2014, 04:30 PM
yes, if you don't move one out, one will eventually get killed.
i think it more likely that the reason they weren't fighting before is because they were still juveniles. Many new fishkeepers think their fish are fine because they get along for a few months, not realizing that fish take time to mature and grow into adult behavior, and even after that behavior can change depending on tank mates and environmental changes.

I'm afraid you don't have much choice but to rehome one of those angels.

Drew's_Fish_99
01-05-2014, 04:43 PM
yes, if you don't move one out, one will eventually get killed.
i think it more likely that the reason they weren't fighting before is because they were still juveniles. +1 Sadly you will have to give one up or watch one die. It's hard but best for the fish!

Valuta8
01-05-2014, 04:44 PM
Okay, they are 2 years old. I'll give the bully to my local petco... none of my friends have big enough aquariums. I'm surprised they didn't kill each other before in that tiny aquarium.

madagascariensis
01-05-2014, 05:19 PM
a stressed, mistreated, ill fish's first priority would likely be survival, not to establish a home range.
even though your tank isn't much bigger than their original "home", maybe the small amount of extra space and maybe better treatment
has made one of them comfortable enough to attempt to establish a territory and to attempt to evict the other fish.

Valuta8
01-06-2014, 03:43 AM
a stressed, mistreated, ill fish's first priority would likely be survival, not to establish a home range.
even though your tank isn't much bigger than their original "home", maybe the small amount of extra space and maybe better treatment
has made one of them comfortable enough to attempt to establish a territory and to attempt to evict the other fish.
To me, it seems as though they have enough space. I know it's not completely ideal for me to have two angels in a 40 gallon, but it does work and they seem quite comfortable in it. They'e original home was 10 gallons. "isn't much bigger" small amount of extra space" is kind of insulting.. I'm thirteen and I saved my 5 dollar allowance to upgrade to a bigger tank. The 40 gallon is on my dresser. I wanted a fifty five gal but it doesn't work in my room.... I had to beg to get the 40 gallon even though I was using my own money. and I mean plead. I know it seems silly for me to get worked up about this, but it's almost like you're insulting it. I appreciate the work everyone does on here providing reliable aquarium advice, and I do appreciate you responding with a helpful answer, but please take into consideration how much work went into that "small amount of extra space". I'm working really hard to give them the best life possible. They aren't fighting at all anymore, I was prepared to give one to my friend and she came over but there hadn't been any problems for a couple of hours so I decided to keep them together.Might have been them just establishing a pecking order. If there are further issues I'll give one away..
My mom recommended flushing one down the toilet. I hope she was kidding!!! :eek:

FrozenTundra
01-06-2014, 03:50 AM
I hope your dresser is made of solid oak or something. That doesn't seem terribly safe.

But good luck on rehoming that other angelfish

Azurescriber
01-06-2014, 04:11 AM
No one was trying to insult you here. Even though you did your best...and it really is great that you knew they needed more room...the fact is that it is just not a good situation for those fish. You are doing the right thing by giving one away. It takes commitment to their happiness to realize when something just isn't going to work...and maturity to not just flush one!

Just remember that the one will continue to grow, and small fish like neons will become snacks, so stock carefully. :)

madagascariensis
01-06-2014, 04:26 AM
no offense meant. I may have skimmed your post a bit too fast and must have thought you were keeping them in a 15 gallon.
40 gallons is actually just fine for 1 angel, 2 still would be pushing it though.
As Azurescriber said, you did your best, which is admirable, but it still isn't an ideal situation for the angels.

Valuta8
01-07-2014, 01:34 AM
Well they haven't fought since that day and they both seem pretty happy....do I still need to give one away?
Sorry I kind of exploded there. Yes my dresser is solid oak it's very sturdy. :) I was going to get a 55 gallon, but it looked very awkward in my room and the 40 gal fits my dresser perfectly. I'm now wondering if they could be a breeding pair but just never bred due to bad conditions. Is that possible?I looked at the angelfish sexing thread and it's hard to tell

sheamurai
01-07-2014, 01:42 AM
So long as you are monitoring them closely, you can wait and see if they are a pair. To be honest, its not very likely - folks usually have to purchase a half dozen angels in order to find a pair, but if you are keeping an eye on them you should be able to intervene if things go south. Just have a plan b ready to go right away...sometimes, with cichlids, things can change fast - if you aren't paying attention, you can go to bed thinking things are hunky dory, but wake up to a floater...

SueD
01-07-2014, 01:54 AM
There is a slim chance that you could have a pair. I got lucky in that way, buying just two angels a month apart. But as everyone has said, keep close watch. If they do pair up, you may still see some "fighting" behaviors from time to time. Mine would do a lot of lip-locking just before spawning and right after. The rest of the time was peaceful.

madagascariensis
01-07-2014, 02:38 AM
even with pairs, males will chase females to maintain dominance. therefore, on/off chasing with breaks and seemingly peaceful interactions in between could indicate a pairing, while relentless chasing and
significant fin damage likely means no pair.