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hockeyhead019
09-06-2013, 05:18 PM
All right here we go I'm gonna take the plung... again lol

Game plan:

20 gallon long reef tank

Stocking:
1 O. Clown
Assorted small gobies (haven't made the final decision yet)

Corals:
Softies (zoa dominated cuz they're awesome)
Frogspawn
Maybe a couple LPS haven't decided yet
Maybe a duncan colony... again haven't decided yet

LR: Well in my case it's dead rock lol... still trying to decide what I wanna do in this situation. I have a TON of rock from my old 55 so the good news is I'll have plenty of pieces to pick from however at the same time I'll have to wait for them to leech out all the gunk they got when my 55 crashed. As well I'll have to figure out how I want to seed them. This process will most likely dominate the early life of this project. I'm completely open to suggestions.

Lighting: DIY LED kit from Phoenix Lighting (will be a kit I create in the basket using theirs as a guideline to what I need/should have)
- Lighting options haven't been completely decided upon yet, in terms of how many of what color
- Moon lights will be included... cuz they're awesome haha
- Gonna take my time with this so it looks and functions exactly how I want it to lol learned my lesson last time and wasn't happy

AIO Kit: Would really like to grab one from badfishreefsupplies.com but they're getting terrible reviews on delivery time, up to 8 weeks some people complain! Which is a real bummer since it's quite the set up. Would be great to have that kind of skill to crank out a product like that. If anybody knows of another AIO kit please link me.

Flow: Maxijet 900 for the AIO return set up as well as some other power head which hasn't been decided yet but that's a minor detail

Temp control: 75 watt heater (since i think that's the biggest size that'll fit in the 20 gal) haven't decided if I'll break my controller out and use that for control of the heater and to monitor salinity or not. Probably will though just because I don't trust those heaters at all

High tech side: Nothing too crazy, mostly a monitoring system for the temp and pH. Might work in lighting control of the LEDs but we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Undecided on the ATO system since that ended up being a real problem last time due to a lack of a drain pipe the sump kept filling and overflowing the DT... however I don't see how that could be a problem in an AIO tank. However I'm wary none the less.

I'm completely open to suggestions and or lessons learned by others. I have quite the bit of uhhhh "experience" from my 55 reef which ended in a disaster but was probably doomed from the start looking back lol I plan on doing this tank correctly an not cutting any corners but still having fun with some DIY stuff

This is going to be slow moving so bare with me lol

eltylT
09-06-2013, 05:57 PM
hey now that sounds like a plan to me . good luck and keep us posted of progress.

Cliff
09-06-2013, 08:13 PM
You can cycle your dry rock, very close to how you would fishless cycle a FW tank, but you do run the risk of nitrates soaking into the rocks if your not very carefully watching the levels and changing water when needed. Your best bet would be to get a nice 4 or 5 lbs pc of live rock to cycle the whole tank. If you did that, combined with some type of good quality bacteria additive, you should be able to cycle the tank pretty quick with minimal risk of a nitrate spike and be able to slowly start adding fish as soon as the levels are stable

sheamurai
09-06-2013, 10:13 PM
If you're taking your time, why does it matter if the AIO kit is slow getting to you? 8 weeks is prolly the absolute longest it will take to get there, and you'll likely get it a bit sooner...and then you'd have what you want...

Spardas
09-07-2013, 03:19 AM
Yes, just pick out a nice piece of LR and let it seed the rest of your old rocks. Are we going with sand or BB?

Hmmmm, just a thought instead of the AIO. Paint the back black, get an Aquaclear HOB and DIY it into a fuge/sump and set it up on the back.

hockeyhead019
09-09-2013, 12:29 PM
Hmmmm, just a thought instead of the AIO. Paint the back black, get an Aquaclear HOB and DIY it into a fuge/sump and set it up on the back.

This was actually one of the options I was kicking around. And I'll be going with sand on the bottom and the piece of LR seemed like the most reasonable/efficient thing to do

And @sheamurai I think I'm just nervous about never getting the thing lol people have been complaining a lot and the word is he's having some family issues so I'm thinking he has quite the backlog lol... still might end up doing it cuz he makes some really quality stuff

@Cliff any suggestions for some bacteria additive? Or anybody for that matter? Just to help give a little jump start to the tank?

I'm thinking I might get a piece of LR to seed and then remove that since I seem to recall having some really nice pieces from my 55, really pourus cool looking stuff IMO haha regardless I'm excited to get started but really don't wanna jump the gun, both for financial reasons and because I just wanna have an overall good (attempt at great) setup lol

hockeyhead019
09-12-2013, 01:40 PM
Double post lol

Here's what's in the cart so far:
Salifert Ammonia, Nitrate, Nitrite testing kits (each has enough for 60 tests)
VisiTherm 75W heater
EcoMarine MP10 ES (Super excited about this one haha)
MaxiJet 900 (for return pump)
AquaticLife 3 stage RO unit (I know it isn't the best but it'll be better than tap)
Phoenix DIY lighting kit (interested to see how this results both asthetically and performance wise)

Already ownDigital Aquatics Controller (which will mainly be used for heater control)
- Might be used for other functions but not sure

To Be Decided:Lighting control, simple on off for all of the channels via controller (might be starting poing) but I'd rather have the ability to control the intensity curve as the day goes on... just cuz that's way cooler haha
Stocking
- Would love a pair of O. Clowns but don't think the tank will have enough room... plus if I get clowns I'll want a nem haha which would be bad news in a tank this small from everything I've read
- Most likely will go with an assortment of gobies and maybe a bangaii cardinal or two? lol (would love to have a mated pair be the focus of the tank)
-Obviously corals!! Mostly zoa type with a frogspawn and some waving hands as well... not sure what else yet
-Really liked my emerald crab who never really caused any trouble so might grab one of them as well


For now I think I'll be buying the things in the cart slowly as the cash becomes available, obviously waiting for the mp10 and the lighting until the tank is ready to rock (no pun intended) targeted up and running date is Jan 2014 (not in a rush here haha)

Also I believe I'll finally be moving out of the parents house and to my own place (about time! haha) just after the new year so I don't want the tank to be overly fragile to a move so it may get delayed some depending on my moving situation

hockeyhead019
12-24-2013, 12:53 PM
Still in the planning stage so nothing to get over excited about, but I'm leaning away from the AIO concept since that kit isn't delivering anymore and I haven't found a suitable replacement.

Instead I'm looking at gutting a big HOB filter and maybe throwing some filter floss and possibly a media bag depending, but that might be all the filtration I'm looking for lol

Got the tank all cleaned up this weekend so that was a step in the right direction at least lol it had all kinds of gunk stuck to it so that was fun to try and get all that off the glass lol

hockeyhead019
02-14-2014, 06:42 PM
car issues have put this plan on hault, transmission issues have drained the ol bank account for the time being. However I miss my clown fish haha so might start it as a low tech tank and grow it out with various upgrades as time goes on haha we shall see

Cliff
02-14-2014, 10:59 PM
And here we are on post #10 of a tank journal with no pics :hmm3grin2orange:

JK.....

Sorry to hear about the bad luck with the car.

FrozenTundra
02-14-2014, 11:00 PM
Cliff you forgot the -

:worthless:

hockeyhead019
02-18-2014, 07:18 PM
It's all part of the suspense strategy!! Lol sooner or later this thread will be worth something!

hockeyhead019
06-09-2015, 04:58 PM
Still absent of pictures however the sand went in over this past weekend and some equipment is in the shipping process. Decided to bag the AIO and go with a HOB as my heater hider and a place to put a little cheato on reverse lighting. ATO has also been scratched, I'll just have a manual top off the old fashion way.

Lighting is exciting. I decided to go big and get a nanobox duo which is all LED but has bluefish wireless control and has been raved about everywhere I've read about it. Really excited to play with that and learn the ins and outs.

Stocking plan has remained much the same but I plan on adding a bangaii cardinal to the list since no matter how hard I try they're always just so fascinating to me.

Wet test is coming up next and I'll have some pics of the rocks I picked out so we can start coming up with some aquascaping ideas

Should be a fun ride as I try and remember how to do this haha

Cheers

showmebutterfly
06-09-2015, 06:09 PM
Still absent of pictures however the sand went in over this past weekend and some equipment is in the shipping process. Decided to bag the AIO and go with a HOB as my heater hider and a place to put a little cheato on reverse lighting. ATO has also been scratched, I'll just have a manual top off the old fashion way.

Lighting is exciting. I decided to go big and get a nanobox duo which is all LED but has bluefish wireless control and has been raved about everywhere I've read about it. Really excited to play with that and learn the ins and outs.

Stocking plan has remained much the same but I plan on adding a bangaii cardinal to the list since no matter how hard I try they're always just so fascinating to me.

Wet test is coming up next and I'll have some pics of the rocks I picked out so we can start coming up with some aquascaping ideas

Should be a fun ride as I try and remember how to do this haha

Cheers

Welcome back. I'm glad to see this thread up and running again. It seems like there's not many here that venture into the salty side of fishkeeping so I'm always happy when there are new postings. Congrats on the progress and I'll be looking forward to those pics. :ssmile:

Cliff
06-10-2015, 12:56 AM
Good to see you back !!!

hockeyhead019
06-10-2015, 11:21 AM
Good to be back, really looking forward to having a tank again! I've missed it haha

Anders247
06-10-2015, 11:49 AM
Welcome back!

hockeyhead019
06-11-2015, 01:18 PM
Finally got some more sand and some salt and put the water into the tank last night. No leaks (didn't expect any) and cloudy water ensued, which we all expected.

Here's some pics :)

The top is just to show the pieces of rock that I'm working with, the second one is how I think I'm gonna leave it. That's up in the air depending on the water flow pattern tough.

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/hockeyhead019/20%20Gallon%20Reef/20150610_210814.jpg (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/hockeyhead019/media/20%20Gallon%20Reef/20150610_210814.jpg.html)

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/hockeyhead019/20%20Gallon%20Reef/20150610_211746.jpg (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/hockeyhead019/media/20%20Gallon%20Reef/20150610_211746.jpg.html)

And filled with the water

http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb54/hockeyhead019/20%20Gallon%20Reef/20150610_215440.jpg (http://s207.photobucket.com/user/hockeyhead019/media/20%20Gallon%20Reef/20150610_215440.jpg.html)

In case I haven't mentioned it I'm using a Jabeo WP-10 wave maker (Chinese MP-10 pretty much) and I'm trying to find the right setting to get good flow but not overpowering on one side and barely anything on the other. It's kind of tough to get a good indication though with all the murkiness now though. I did shine a light to see the sand/dust movement pattern and I've got some flow on the right side but nothing crazy and on the left side. The tall rock gives a good swirl effect as it runs behind and then meets the high current on the front side.

In addition to that I'm using an aquaclear 50 filter which I'll use to hide my heater and have a cheato ball in with reverse lighting. I plan on using that to help flow if need be. I also bought Bio-Spira and Fluval's "instant" BB colonies which I'll add after work today. I know they aren't all inclusive of what you get on LR but it'll give me a good jump start to get the BB I need for ammonia processing. From there the game plan is to dose with pure ammonia and monitor. I'm looking to get 2ppm fully converted within 24 hours.

From there it'll be livestock time. Hopefully my light has arrived by then and I can add one clown and a small zoa colony. Hopefully the zoas will come with some coralline on the plug somewhere to help seed that. After that it'll be really slow going since I'm going for a pretty untouched sterile system to a reef system and I know the faster you introduce things the greater your chance for a problem is.

On the purchase list in terms of equipment the only thing left is an RO/DI unit and a test kit. Yes I'm aware they're both vital components and they'll be on order shortly.

hockeyhead019
07-27-2015, 11:53 AM
I added a maroon clown and a small colony of polyps in there yesterday. Pics later today.

I'm kicking around getting "pods in a jar" from somewhere, has anybody done this and had any success? I'd like them to stay alive in the tank and I believe the live food version isn't meant to actually live in the tank/rock

Cliff
07-28-2015, 02:18 PM
As you tank is still very new, the pods may not live to long as there would be a limited food supply for them. To be honest with, I would not use them. You will grow pods in the tank naturally in time as your set-up matures. Nothing wrong with giving it a try tho.

I'm also looking forward to more pics and your set-up develops

hockeyhead019
07-28-2015, 03:27 PM
As you tank is still very new, the pods may not live to long as there would be a limited food supply for them. To be honest with, I would not use them. You will grow pods in the tank naturally in time as your set-up matures. Nothing wrong with giving it a try tho.

I'm also looking forward to more pics and your set-up develops
That's what I figured too. Since I started with no live rock and just BB in a bottle I'm curious to see how all of this works out lol. I'm hoping that as I introduce some coral they'll bring along some hitch-hikers.

Like I said though, well see. I'm nervous about the tank being so sterile right now