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Greentoads41
05-20-2013, 03:17 AM
I have some questions about shrimp, the neocardinia specifically. I am looking to get some.
Are the color morphs of cherry shrimp (like yellow and blue) the same species as cherries?
Are the color morphs harder to breed that cherries?
If my tank doesnt have very much plants or moss in it, will the shrimp be ok?
What are some popular neocardinia species, in that they breed the same way that cherry shrimp do?
Will dosing ferts and liquid CO2 affect the shrimp? Ive read what happened to firefly's shrimp tank after dosing the fertilizer and CO2, so im a little worried about that.
Feel free to share experience and insights, for I am a shrimp noob. Thanks

genocidex
05-20-2013, 03:31 AM
from what i have read the color variants are all the same BUT the reds are the hardiest ones. if you dont have much plants in the tank then why do you need a high dosing of ferts and or co2?

Greentoads41
05-20-2013, 04:04 AM
Its not a high dosage, just a dosage lol. And the only reason im doing it is to get my marailea hirsuta to grow. Its a ten gallon tank btw

Goes to 11!
05-20-2013, 04:10 AM
Good question about plants above, Shrimp would DEF prefer some cover.

FYI - The red ones were selectively bred for that color also - The wild Neocaridina Heteropoda look like this:

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If you do intend to house several colors of Neocaridina together they will interbreed and you will shortly end up with a tank full of natural looking brownish shrimp [It's my understanding that the bright colors are a recessive gene].

More info available at Planetinverts:
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I have had them in the past and had no issues with ferts YMMV.
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talldutchie
05-20-2013, 05:49 AM
I have some questions about shrimp, the neocardinia specifically. I am looking to get some.
Are the color morphs of cherry shrimp (like yellow and blue) the same species as cherries?

Most are


Are the color morphs harder to breed that cherries?

A bit. A lot harder to breed true


If my tank doesnt have very much plants or moss in it, will the shrimp be ok?

If it's shrimp only yes. But do get some plants in, they really like it a lot better. Even something dead simple like java moss and cabomba.


What are some popular neocardinia species, in that they breed the same way that cherry shrimp do?

Someone else has already posted the table I see.


Will dosing ferts and liquid CO2 affect the shrimp? Ive read what happened to firefly's shrimp tank after dosing the fertilizer and CO2, so im a little worried about that.
Feel free to share experience and insights, for I am a shrimp noob. Thanks

Absolutely. Dose sparingly. Shrimp dont handle chemical pollution well and their breeding organs aren't that efficient so CO2 affects them quite easily.
It can be done but do so with care. If you're a noob about to get serious with shrimp take a good look at your tap water. If it's the fluoridated nitrated loaded mess so many people get then you may want to consider at least an HMA filter.

Greentoads41
05-20-2013, 01:18 PM
Thanks for all the great info, it really helps. For plants, ive got some moderately dense plantings of wisteria on either side of the tank with about 4 2-4 inch spots of java moss on rocks. There is also hiding spots under rocks for a few shrimp, and I'm pretty sure all my cover can hide about 20 shrimp, but much more than that and i would need more cover. Ill have to think about that if that situation arises.
As for the tap water, it has about .75 ppm of ammonia, and 0 nitrite and nitrates. My filters have never had a problem with the ammonia in the past, even when I wasnt using seachem prime (i was using some aqueon dechlorinator).

Greentoads41
05-20-2013, 05:24 PM
Btw, the tankmates would be 2 amano shrimp and ember tetras.

talldutchie
05-20-2013, 05:42 PM
The embers are fine, most of the time too lazy to go shrimplet hunting

Greentoads41
05-21-2013, 01:03 AM
That's good. I think I'll go with Cherries then thumbs2: KORITH!?!
Also, what determines whether the shrimp can be put in the same tank together? I'm referring to the chart here.

Goes to 11!
05-21-2013, 03:09 AM
My understanding is that most of that chart is due to possible interbreeding but it is worth researching the site more extensively to see if there are other issues
[IE: Predatory tendencies]
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Greentoads41
05-21-2013, 03:30 AM
it is worth researching the site more extensively
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With somehow not having an earlier thought of doing that obvious thing:hammer2:, I just ransacked that site of information. It's very helpful. Thanks for the reference! thumbs2:

korith
05-21-2013, 06:05 AM
That's good. I think I'll go with Cherries then thumbs2: KORITH!?!
Also, what determines whether the shrimp can be put in the same tank together? I'm referring to the chart here.

That chart is good to avoid different shrimp from interbreeding. If you want to have other type of shrimp in the tank you'll need to read up on each type you want to have. Some of the shrimp I keep require certain pH or kH. Some shrimp are harder to keep than others, some go thru a larval form and can be harder to raise. Replied to your pm by the way.

Greentoads41
05-21-2013, 01:18 PM
Thanks man, I am definetely going with the cherries, as i have heard they are good beginner shrimp too, and i will keep researching as always! What other kinds of shrimp do you have korith? And dosing Ferts and co2 had no effect on my ghost shrimp or amanos, are cherries that much different?

korith
05-21-2013, 05:57 PM
Thanks man, I am definetely going with the cherries, as i have heard they are good beginner shrimp too, and i will keep researching as always! What other kinds of shrimp do you have korith? And dosing Ferts and co2 had no effect on my ghost shrimp or amanos, are cherries that much different?

I use ferts and co2 on my 20g and 40g breeder, which have rcs, no issues at all. About a dozen different types of shrimp, should be able to see a list of them in my profile here. Still growing out those colonies though.

Triton
05-21-2013, 06:01 PM
Korith, I wanna be put on your listed for person to ship to lol. Eventually we should swap RCS to mix some lines up

But yes red cherries are very easy shrimp to keep. I personally have found they do better in lower light and they like alder cones (or indian almond leaves) both cheap, not needed, but they seem to like them

korith
05-21-2013, 06:50 PM
Korith, I wanna be put on your listed for person to ship to lol. Eventually we should swap RCS to mix some lines up

But yes red cherries are very easy shrimp to keep. I personally have found they do better in lower light and they like alder cones (or indian almond leaves) both cheap, not needed, but they seem to like them

Every once in a while I buy a bag rcs from the local fish club I'm in, usually just to get the java moss but the rcs end up going into my rcs tank:p I use indian almond leaves in some of the tanks, they do seem to help. A small chunk of cuttlebone is good for a source of calcium but not really needed, should be plenty to be found in the tank.

I'll tell ya something funny, I find rcs and other shrimp tend to do better when I mess with the tank less. The more I ignore the tank, and just keep to small wc's and regular feedings seem to help. A stable environment seems to help more than anything. I've even had rcs grow and breed in a completely ignored 5g bucket half filled with water.