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Strider199
05-04-2013, 12:32 AM
As the title says; my orange BTA isn't doing very well lately. It has been deflated for three days now and the mouth is open for the most part. I'm surprised it hasn't moved from the live rock it's on and I have taken that rock and moved it to other parts of the tank to increase light and flow with no real effect. The Tomato Clown still finds the BTA and wiggles in it but most of the tentacles are retracted.
I have read up on the demise of anemones and their slow dying process followed up by really polluting the tank.
There is no smell (I even held it under my nose last night when I moved it up on the rocks), nothing is coming out of the mouth, some tentacles are still inflated but only half their size.
My water parameters are as follows;

Ammonia - 0ppm
Nitrite - 0ppm
Nitrate - 0ppm
Ph - 8.4
Calcium - 22
Kh - 10
Phos - .25
Temp. 79 degrees F
Salinity - 1.025

The tank is around 6 months old (yes I know it is recommended to have an older stable set-up), and all the coral I have are doing really well.
The lighting is a 420 razor led 3 panel 160w 16,000 unit which is programmed to dim down in the evening and brighten up in the late morning.
The BTA was accepting thawed frozen Omega reef formula pieces and all seemed well.

When do I give up on it and remove it from the tank before it nukes everything?
Is there a chance of recovery and how is that achieved?

I hate this.

Cliff
05-04-2013, 02:58 AM
I do not believe it is anything related to your water quality as bubble tips will typically move before showing that much stress. Three of the most common situations that come to mind that also fit your situation are bacterial infections, died anemones, and rough handling by a clown fish.

Has the appearance of the mouth area changed ? By that I am asking if you have notice raised or bumpy areas around the mouth. Not to be confused with the situations when a anemone will invert it’s mouth whem under a lot of stress.

Does the body of the anemone have a different color as compared to the boot or tentacles ?

How does your clown act around anf while hosting your anemone. Is she rough with the anmeone

Add a lot (and I mean a lot) of carbon to your set up now. If your anemone passes while your away or in bed, that will help to keep the rest of your livestock safe. If you see what looks like bits of the anemone falling off, or it looks like it is melting, it’s a goner and you need to take it out of the tank

Sorry to hear about your situation.

Strider199
05-04-2013, 05:27 PM
"Has the appearance of the mouth area changed ? By that I am asking if you have notice raised or bumpy areas around the mouth. Not to be confused with the situations when a anemone will invert itís mouth whem under a lot of stress."
There are no bumps around the mouth and the mouth is not raised, just slightly open.

"Does the body of the anemone have a different color as compared to the boot or tentacles ?"
The inside area around the mouth to the tenticals is the same colour as the tenticals. What I have noticed is there are fine white lines within that area. The boot is buried in the live rock and I can't see the colour.

"How does your clown act around anf while hosting your anemone. Is she rough with the anmeone."

She is contantly within the anemone and wiggling around. It looks rough to me but I'm not the anemone so it may not be. The only time the Clown leaves the anemone is for food.
There are no parts falling off and I dont see any melting happening yet. I have added an eheim canister to the tank with carbon in it as you suggested. Thanks.

Strider199
05-04-2013, 06:07 PM
Here are two pictures of how the BTA looks now.

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m559/Strider199/SAM_1115.jpg (http://s1131.photobucket.com/user/Strider199/media/SAM_1115.jpg.html)

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m559/Strider199/SAM_1114.jpg (http://s1131.photobucket.com/user/Strider199/media/SAM_1114.jpg.html)

Here is what it did look like a week ago.

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m559/Strider199/SAM_1084.jpg (http://s1131.photobucket.com/user/Strider199/media/SAM_1084.jpg.html)

Cliff
05-04-2013, 08:38 PM
Your anemone doesn't look all that bad. He does look a little stressed by something tho, but nothing that I would panic about yet. I would suggest a few extra water changes this week (just in case) and keep a close eye on him. He could just be getting ready to split !

Strider199
05-04-2013, 08:41 PM
Your anemone doesn't look all that bad. He does look a little stressed by something tho, but nothing that I would panic about yet. I would suggest a few extra water changes this week (just in case) and keep a close eye on him. He could just be getting ready to split !

Really?

Thanks Cliff. I'll keep positive and see what happens with a few extra water changes.

Cliff
05-04-2013, 08:47 PM
Make sure you keep a really close eye on him

Sometimes they seam to get grumpy for no reason. My red carpet anemone once tucked itself completely into it's boot, only leaving a toonie sized patch on the substrate. At first I thought he moved but I could not find him anywere in the tank. I freaked out. All my water parameters checked out after I tested it twice as well as taking a third sample in to the SW LFS to be tested. When I got back home, he was all open and happy again. Not to sure what set him off as I never did figure it out.

Strider199
05-04-2013, 08:52 PM
With your previous post you gave me some hope, I was ready to take him out.

I have started the second water change this week and will keep an eye on him. This anemone is an awesome specimen. I hope he's just grumpy for the time being and will pull through.
The orange glow coming off him in the evening is better then watching a sunset in summer.

Cliff
05-04-2013, 08:55 PM
As long as he looks like he did in those pics, you should be fine, and might end up with two anemones.

It can be very hard to tell with these guys sometimes which is why you need to keep a close eye on him.

Strider199
05-05-2013, 09:23 PM
Looking at the BTA today, I can actually say, he might be splitting in two. There is a section that is spit from the edge to the mouth on one side and a line where the tentacles are just bumps going from the mouth to the edge.

What a weird sight that is.

Cliff
05-05-2013, 10:39 PM
Post some pics if you can

Strider199
05-05-2013, 11:02 PM
This is how it looked when I posted. The left side looks like its coming apart/

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m559/Strider199/SAM_1115-1.jpg (http://s1131.photobucket.com/user/Strider199/media/SAM_1115-1.jpg.html)

Right after I posted the anemone has retracted into the rock. Here is a picture.

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m559/Strider199/SAM_1118.jpg (http://s1131.photobucket.com/user/Strider199/media/SAM_1118.jpg.html)

sheamurai
05-06-2013, 12:21 AM
Mine never retracted to split, but that doesn't mean that yours isn't.
Just wanted to chime in that I don't think it looks all that bad yet, either, and to suggest you try not to stress it at all by moving it or disturbing it any more than you absolutely have to...hope it pulls thru for ya.

Your clown may indeed be loving it to death...if it retracts anymore you might try dropping the top half of a plastic bottle or somesuch over it to keep the clown off and see if that helps at all...

Strider199
05-06-2013, 12:27 AM
Thanks Sheamurai for that info. The Clown is starting to leave it alone for a few minutes at a time lately. I might just get my coral feeding bottle top out for it.

Strider199
05-06-2013, 09:58 PM
Today the left side is really noticeably separating.

I wish my camera skills were better.
Here is a picture which I just took of the anemone.

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m559/Strider199/SAM_1119.jpg (http://s1131.photobucket.com/user/Strider199/media/SAM_1119.jpg.html)

Strider199
05-06-2013, 11:06 PM
Just thinking out loud here, should I feed the anemone during this time? I guess I'll try it tonight to see what happens. The Clown is likely to take the food away with the tentacles so far from the mouth of the anemone.

Cliff
05-06-2013, 11:12 PM
I would not suggest feeding a stressed anemone. Let him settle down first. As long as your lighting is good, he won't need any food anyways

Strider199
05-07-2013, 12:11 AM
Got ya. Thanks for the insight.

Strider199
05-07-2013, 10:27 PM
I came home tonight to find this.......

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m559/Strider199/SAM_1148.jpg (http://s1131.photobucket.com/user/Strider199/media/SAM_1148.jpg.html)

A different angle......

http://i1131.photobucket.com/albums/m559/Strider199/SAM_1149.jpg (http://s1131.photobucket.com/user/Strider199/media/SAM_1149.jpg.html)

It has a smaller version of itself off to the left side. Not how I thought it would separate but cool all the same.
I haven't seen the mouth of the smaller one yet. I thought it would split more through the middle but it looks like a smaller section just separated.

Thoughts? Besides take one back to the store.....

Cliff
05-07-2013, 10:38 PM
Thoughts? Besides take one back to the store.....

LOL, repeat as required.....


Can you see a boot for the second, smaller one yet. That was always the best way I found to confirm when a BTA splits. Mine split about every 4 months until I took them all in to the store.

One of the two will most likely start to move after they settle down. That took a bout 2 or 3 weeks after mine had finished splitting

sheamurai
05-07-2013, 11:01 PM
Ditto that. And get used to having to remove them, once they start splitting they are pretty regular at it.
I've been told that if I had done smaller water changes, my BTA might have spent more time growing rather than splitting all the time. Just thought I'd mention it, in case you want your anemone to get large rather than to continue splitting. Evidently they tend to split when water conditions are altered.

Strider199
05-07-2013, 11:19 PM
Thanks people. I think....

I can not see a boot yet Cliff. It looks like it is still connected down there. The two are in some live rock which makes it hard to get an angle on. I wonder how much "credit" I can get for an orange bubble tip? Mind you when I was there Sunday, he still had 4 of them in with his corals.

sheamurai
05-07-2013, 11:54 PM
I'd be surprised if you got any...I sold mine for a toonie to folks from my reef club. Or trade for frags.

Strider199
05-08-2013, 10:53 PM
I'd be surprised if you got any...I sold mine for a toonie to folks from my reef club. Or trade for frags.

Nice move.

I paid alot for this one, $60.00 so I'm a little surprised it wouldn't bring a return.

Cliff
05-08-2013, 11:14 PM
How much you get for your BTA will really depend on the color and the availability in your area. You won't know until you try

I was a little surprised to get $70 in store credit for each of mine. But the again, there is not a lot of BTAs in Saskatchewan

Strider199
05-08-2013, 11:18 PM
I was a little surprised to get $70 in store credit for each of mine. But the again, there is not a lot of BTAs in Saskatchewan

Dont they freeze in the truck coming from the airport to the store? LOL The Prairies, tough climate.