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Ocellatus
10-26-2007, 08:01 AM
well today the eggs have started to shake and tails came out of the eggs.
what i don't understand is why parents have put some gravels on the eggs!! that should have a reason. but it seems the eggs under the gravels can't be hatched, i don't know!
i tried to take a close shot from the eggs but parents are very aggressive now and defend their babies very hard. i took the camera close the front glass and father attacked me and some tailed eggs shoot out away from the slate by father hard movement!
the impressive thing is they collect eggs from the gravels gently and put them on the slate again.

now what i'm worry about is the hole they have digged to keep the fry in it. they have reached the under gravel filter. i turned it off but fry might drop under it through its small cracks.

Lady Hobbs
10-26-2007, 08:27 AM
One of the many reasons not to have UGF.......especially with Oscars which are way too dirty for that kind of filtering system.

But congrats on the fry.

Ocellatus
10-26-2007, 01:28 PM
thanks.
they have buried almost all the eggs! i guess they want to hide their babies from enemies!
but in this way i think fries will die under gravels.
maybe they want to cover their eggs with something light but they can't find anything except gravels! they have put some small gravels on them.

Ocellatus
10-27-2007, 09:59 AM
some updates,
yesterday they put some fries on the UGF and they droped under it :(
today parents realized that they shouldn't do it, they are moving fries to somewhere else. i can see about 20-30 fries. also i think there are more under gravels that parents put on the eggs, some small bubbles come out of gravels sometimes. i hope they can get out of there.
also there are some fries under UGF i can't see them. i hope when they are able to swim they come out too. if not, i will try to suck them out using gravel cleaner!!

TowBoater
10-27-2007, 11:27 AM
You need to shut the UGF of and stick a canister with a media bag on the intake or a sponge filter in there.

Fishguy2727
10-27-2007, 12:42 PM
You can give them a bowl and see if they will put the fry in that.

Ocellatus
10-27-2007, 06:01 PM
actually most of eggs didn't hatch and those that hatched dropped under UGF. in a foolish attempt i tried to suck the fries out of there. i used a gravel cleaner but it was weak and just sucked 4 fries out. also parents got very angry and started to mess everything up! i was so disappointed ...
in my last attempt i removed the power head of my internal filter and connected a hose to the outlet and another to inlet then i got the inlet hose on the UGF and turned the power head on, it sucked out all fries under UGF.
i placed a glass divider in the tank and put the fries over there, because i have no other empty tank right now.
now i have just 20 to 30 fries alive ...

father is so angry now and i saw the mother came near the glass divider and looked in her babies sadly :(

next time i should move the eggs slate to another place or put something for them to keep the fry in that as fishguy said.

squirt_12
10-27-2007, 07:13 PM
Pictures:18:

Ocellatus
10-27-2007, 07:55 PM
well they are toooo small!!
they can't swim yet and i can't even see them between the gravels. when they started to free swim i'll get some good pics.
i just got a bad pic when i was moving one of them. the straight line is the body!, the circle is the head!, the point is the eye! and yellow circle is yolk sac that they consume in 3 days.

squirt_12
10-27-2007, 07:59 PM
wow...thats cool...yes....they are tiny. lol

congrats again on the fry. good luck with them.

TowBoater
10-27-2007, 10:34 PM
I would separate them to be sure, a divider is a great idea. Like I said before, use a sponge filter on their side and a HOB on the parents.

2manyfish
10-28-2007, 03:09 AM
Congrats on the fry!

When all this is done, go ahead and remove that UGF. Add another filter like a good sized sponge filter. The sponge filter will also provide some food for the fry without the danger of them being sucked up into a power filter.
I would not remove all the gravel or anything. It's normal for them to scoop out a nest for their young. They will move them around and all that. IMO I would (next time) leave the young with them until they are larger (usually about 10 - 14 days). If nothing else it will give the parents experience which is good.
If you are intent on raising the young you must have a seperate tank for them. I would suggest you get a bigger tank for the adults and use the 35g for raising up the fry.

Good luck and again, congrats on the fry! :19:

Arkie
10-28-2007, 07:27 AM
congrats on the babies, well done :22:
and good luck with them thumbs2:

Ocellatus
10-28-2007, 07:41 PM
i got some awesome pics of fry 2 days after hatch!
you can see their organs :)

TowBoater
10-28-2007, 07:42 PM
Very cool, congrats man!!

squirt_12
10-28-2007, 07:47 PM
AWESOME.....congrats on the fry.

Ocellatus
10-29-2007, 12:34 PM
thanks guys.
there are still a few fries with parents! i wonder they didn't eat them after my thief like invasion!
can someone tell me when i should start feeding them? when they are able to swim, right?

Ocellatus
10-29-2007, 06:59 PM
Day 3
......

Tolley
10-29-2007, 08:37 PM
wow real great detailed pictures!!!

squirt_12
10-29-2007, 08:42 PM
you could prob feed them BBS but the BBS may be too big for them...i am not sure. Hakaris (sp?) first bites, maybe some micro worms, crushed flake food, and stuff like that.

Good luck.

Ocellatus
10-29-2007, 09:11 PM
by BBS you mean brine shrimp? (artemia)
i asked some people that have bred oscars, one said from 4th day you should feed them with newly hatched artemia.
its 4th day now but the fries can't even swim yet!
i asked a more experienced breeder he told me start feeding with artemia in 8th day!
as a training i'm hatching some artemia now for first time! seems they are small enough to fit in fry mouth. they are as small as the point of letter " i " in word "shift" on your keyboard :D
if you feed the brine shrimps they grow up to 1 cm in 10 days! then they can eat fries instead of fries eat them :D

Ocellatus
10-31-2007, 12:58 PM
Day 5

WOW!!!
I'm surprised by the number of fries! :18:

Ocellatus
11-04-2007, 08:23 AM
well ... they didn't age more than 10 days :(
2 days ago there were 100 fries with parents, yesterday morning there were 50, i don't know parents ate them or they died. then i separate the rest of them in a 10g and within a day all died. thought that 10g was cycled. it was working for months. i throw out 60% of the water and filled it with 40% of oscar tank water and 20% freshwater.

dunno they died of bad water quality or maybe i couldn't feed them well.
there are still 4 of them alive but i don't think they be tomorrow.

here is last pics of them ...

Nautilus291
11-04-2007, 08:27 AM
sorry to here about the fry. Maybe you will have better luck next time.

Lady Hobbs
11-04-2007, 01:21 PM
Wow. You got some great shots. Fish are so cute as wee fry. Transparent with just a big eye. LOL Even with losing some in the gravel, looks like you'll still have more than you know what to do with.

Ocellatus
11-05-2007, 09:03 PM
haha someone gave me bad rep for my previous post!! man it was my first experience! i tried to do all i can do ...

i share my photos with you and you give me bad rep, maybe i shouldn't do it anymore?

Fishguy2727
11-05-2007, 11:06 PM
There is nothing that won't offend someone out there.

cocoa_pleco
11-05-2007, 11:11 PM
were not even supposed to give out bad reps. tell a moderator who gave it to you

harvey
11-11-2007, 12:03 PM
Sorry to hear about your fry, but since they bred once they should again. Please keep us updated. And don't feel so bad. This is a learning experience and this is the place to come for advice, just don't let it bother you what some say. You have to remember when one person learns something on here, there are lots that read about it and learn.

hack
11-11-2007, 10:39 PM
You need to shut the UGF of and stick a canister with a media bag on the intake or a sponge filter in there.
Good suggestion. I am taking notes for my future Oscar aquarium

squirt_12
11-11-2007, 11:01 PM
sorry to hear about the fry passing away. Maybe you will have better luck next time.

good learning experience.

atleast now you know that they will lay eggs and have fry.

mitcore
11-12-2007, 06:10 AM
sorry to hear they died
but those a great pics

Ocellatus
11-12-2007, 09:56 AM
thanks for all replies.

actually, one of them stayed with me!
day 16, this is the only survivor from the first wave of spawning!
its growing tail and fins and still so tiny that my camera can't focus on it for a side view.
1 cm long now.

harvey
11-12-2007, 12:40 PM
thanks for sharing the pictures...we enjoy looking at them:c12:

Futureboy
11-12-2007, 01:08 PM
Excellent pics!

Ocellatus
11-18-2007, 07:26 PM
Day 22
growing fast.
somehow its like an oscar now!

gm72
11-18-2007, 07:52 PM
Wow, incredibly cool shots.

Tolley
11-18-2007, 08:39 PM
omg congrats! Glad to hear one is still with you, remarkable picture btw!

aquarius56
11-19-2007, 08:19 PM
Absolutely amazing pics. You must have r-e-a-l-l-y steady hands to get them that clear...CUTE LITTLE FELLA...

Tolley
11-26-2007, 09:47 PM
Is he still with you?

Ocellatus
11-27-2007, 12:04 AM
yes he is.
looks healthy and happy. getting more cute every day!
1 month old and 2 cm long now ( 0.8 inch )

Tolley
11-27-2007, 10:00 AM
Cool keep us updated !! thumbs2: thumbs2:

Ocellatus
11-28-2007, 04:10 PM
Day 32,
I made a pic to compare day 22 with 32 :ezpi_wink1:

Tolley
11-28-2007, 06:15 PM
sweet! he's growing well i hope he gets his mums yellow colour! thumbs2:

nanaglen2001
11-28-2007, 06:28 PM
Great thread.

I enjoyed it a lot reading and watching the pics.

I dont want to sound brutal, but you can call yourself lucky that only one baby survived. Even though you may be an Oscarfanatic, what would you do with lets say 50 juveniles which will become big Oscars???

And something else, really awesome pics. You got a good eye and a hell of a cam.

I am really looking foreward to see pics of day 42, 52 102 ....:19:

Ocellatus
11-28-2007, 07:45 PM
well maybe you are right! even for this only one i had problems to hatch enough brine shrimps within the first days!!

but i have some friends here that are so experienced in breeding and raising oscars and other fish. maybe i would give fries to one of them to raise them for me!
then when they got bigger i would choose a few cute ones for myself and give the rest of them to himself and other friends if they want!
however i like to gain some experience myself :11:

if i was near you buddies i would give all of you some baby oscars :hmm3grin2orange: you, fishguy, kuli, soxfan(aquakid), lady hobbs, tolley, matt, gary, megan, caf, A340, 2manyfish, cocoa, squirt, tropfish, arkie, futureboy, cracktinny, Fishalicious, bigevil, harvey, mitcore, aquarius and all the others i don't remember now i think there would be enough baby oscars for all of you! you have to keep them with your herbivorous fish :hmm3grin2orange:

Tolley
11-28-2007, 08:03 PM
Ha sweet i could put him in my lil 3 inch floating breeder trap with all my platy fry! :stongue: :hmm3grin2orange:

Ocellatus
11-30-2007, 09:47 PM
from what they act i guess they will spawn again within the next 3 days!
but i'm not ready for that :rolleyes: same problems like previous time! no other tank for babies, UGF problem and so on :ssad:

they have to wait 2 more months, when i passed my big exam i'll provide them a suitable tank and filter. i might have to sell my cell phone to do that :((

TowBoater
11-30-2007, 11:52 PM
Lol thanks for if you could you would give me one.thumbs2: That baby is sure looking good, congrats!!!

Ocellatus
12-08-2007, 10:10 AM
some pics from day 42 as requested http://qsmile.com/qsimages/83.gif
hes grown nice stripes on his body, so cute little tiger! http://qsmile.com/qsimages/300.gif

P.S: there are some green colors in pics, its actually yellow but turn green by camera's flash. last pic is without flash, its real colors.

Tolley
12-08-2007, 11:03 AM
Nice Pics!!!! thumbs2:

Ocellatus
01-13-2008, 11:41 AM
Another update,
it is 2.5 months old and 2.5 inch long now.
seems its gonna get the yellow of the mother :19:
compare it with the mother in avatar, its nearly the same pattern!

Demi ^_^
01-13-2008, 12:23 PM
Its sooooo cute!!! BTW your great with the camera - my hands wobble alot :/ lol.

OscarFan
01-13-2008, 04:48 PM
wow. Ive been wanting to do that for a while.

Ocellatus
01-26-2008, 08:34 AM
Thanks friends,
3 months old now and a bit more than 3" long.
some new pics. also a family shot :ezpi_wink1:

Tolley
01-26-2008, 08:31 PM
YEH! thumbs2: soon he'll be off to school lol

he looks awesome! :thumb:

Ocellatus
02-09-2008, 10:00 PM
Some pics of him sleeping ...

jbeining75
02-09-2008, 10:04 PM
Nice pics blu-ray.........

Ocellatus
03-03-2008, 02:27 PM
a sad day ...
i woke up and saw divider is down and young oscar is injured by parents so badly. wounds all over his body.

also i don't remember i've told it here or not, one of this baby's eyes is totally blind. it looks normal but can't see anything with his right eye ... so he is more vulnerable than a normal fish.

Tolley
03-03-2008, 06:07 PM
argh he looks bad i hope he gets better soon!

Ocellatus
03-11-2008, 11:08 PM
one week later ...

cocoa_pleco
03-11-2008, 11:09 PM
haha, yeah, oscars are fast healers

Arkie
03-12-2008, 07:11 AM
good to see him healing so quick and so well. he is a cute bubby.. you should be proud :wink2:

Ocellatus
05-08-2008, 01:31 PM
just an update ...
6 months old now.

debstarr28
05-09-2008, 06:28 AM
gr8 story and pics blu-ray keep it the good work.

Ocellatus
07-14-2008, 02:01 PM
I bet no one remember this thread! lol

shes 8 months old now! got a new shot today. she's got some nice red color.

Fishguy2727
07-14-2008, 03:21 PM
How long is she?
What size tank is she in?
What are you feeding her?

Ocellatus
07-14-2008, 05:43 PM
she is over 7" long.

Its a 40g tank with two 4" BPs and two 6" GTs. stiiil palnning on getting a +120g! I'm gonna sell about 700 oscar babies this week so some cash is coming!

It wasn't a constant food except my frozen beef heart recipe contains beef heart, shrimp, fish and some veggies thats been averagely 35% of her diet during these months. for the first month I fed her with newly hatched brine shrimps ( only ) then frozen mix and Tetra cichlid granules for 3 months. then a friend brought me a pack of Hikari cichlid Gold, she ate it for about 3 months till it finished. and the last month I've fed her Sera arowana!! ( 60% ) and that frozen mix ( 20% ) and freeze dried shrimps ( 20% ).

also a LFS has imported Hikari cichlid bio-gold+ here, I talked to them today and tomorrow night they will start distributing, I'll get some packs, it will be her main diet for next months.

Billythefish
07-14-2008, 06:14 PM
Looking good, don't laugh.. is she still blind or was it a momentry thing?

Ocellatus
07-14-2008, 07:44 PM
one of her eyes is blind. ( that eye in the picture ) she moves it to different directions like normal but can't see with it.

Fishguy2727
07-14-2008, 08:56 PM
How do you know? Is she just completely unresponsive to movement on that side of her?

Ocellatus
07-15-2008, 05:56 AM
she doesn't react to anything on that side of her, food, me, a fish that is coming to bite her, or any thing. for example if a pellet is on that side she won't do anything but as soon as she turns and see the pellet with the other eye, she will take it.

nanaglen2001
07-15-2008, 08:04 AM
Whow, Oscars grow darned fast....great pics, cute animals.

I got some T-Bar fry in my community tank, ok I dont raise and feed them sepparately, as you did with your Oscars, but even I would do so, Sajicas take their time.

I got one a bit over one year old male, which is now a bit bigger than his Mum.

Ocellatus
07-15-2008, 12:17 PM
I think thats more interesting to raise the fry in a community tank! but I can't do that because my tanks are small.
one of my friends has a 200g tank with a pair of oscars and some severum and parrot and convicts, there are a lot of baby convicts here and there in the tank! thats interesting how they survive and grow up in presense of those big fishes.

another friend has a tank with a 20" jardini arowana and 2 stingrays that all 3 of them like to hunt feeder fish. he feed them many feeder fish every week. some days ago he got all of them out of the tank to change the substrate then put them back with some baby jelly beans ( convict x parrot ) they didn't hunt those babies due to the stress of the movement but now when he adds any small new fish, arowana and rays hunt it soon! they have accepted those babies as their tank mates. thats funny how they swim around the monster arowana like some little friends.

Ocellatus
07-15-2008, 08:40 PM
Finally I got 4 big packs of hikari cichlid bio-gold+. now I have a good supply for all my fish during next months!

Ocellatus
08-03-2008, 11:14 PM
Another Update,
changed the decoration.

Billythefish
08-03-2008, 11:24 PM
looks real nice blu_ray:19: :19: :19: why you using sand this time? how do you find it to keep clean?

Ocellatus
08-03-2008, 11:48 PM
Thanks Billy!
Its not sand, its kinda fine gravels. I really liked to try a bright sand or something similar one day and I made it today! I like the color and softness of them! I think I will have to do gravel vac. 2-3 times a week! but at least gravel vac. on this type of substrate is easier, you don't need to push gravel cleaner inside them, just move it slightly on them and thats it.
also I think a powerful filtration could keep it cleaner.

Billythefish
08-04-2008, 12:10 AM
that shure trickt me looks damn nice too.. i was thinking of puting sand in one of my oscar tanks but as my big tiger has the power to kick up gravel and rocks i give it a miss because i didn't like the idea of sand going into the intake of fhe canister.. good job dude:19: :19: :19:

Ocellatus
08-11-2008, 10:23 PM
aha! I thought you mean the problem of debris become visible on the bright sand, about the filter clog yeah thats a problem with fish that like digging but this one is not a digger! at least till now shes not shown any interest on digging the substrate.
but those parrots are some crazy little diggers lol, fortunately they can't get a big mouthful of gravels because of their mouth shape, they dig some small holes here and there that get disappeared after 1 or 2 days because of softness and movement of the substrate.
but I'm not satisfied! gonna get some earth eaters :hmm3grin2orange:

Ocellatus
08-11-2008, 10:25 PM
And an update of the new setup, I used a dark background.

Ryuu
08-11-2008, 10:25 PM
Very nice, what size tank?

Ocellatus
08-11-2008, 10:29 PM
Thanks,
That is a 40gall / 150Liter tank.

angelcakes
08-11-2008, 10:30 PM
nice fish....blu beautiful photo:19: :19:

Billythefish
08-11-2008, 10:48 PM
that sure makes the bp's stand out now.... cool beans dude:19:

Hordfest
08-18-2008, 07:01 AM
wow, just read this whole thread and that is quite a story of survival and the oscar has some awesome coloring! I think it would be cool to get a whole string of the pictures from birth to now just to see how it has grown. :19:

Ocellatus
08-28-2008, 09:17 PM
Thanks! yeah thats a good idea, later I will make something like a flash file that shows her pics continuously from birth till now.

Well, some major updates!

about 2 weeks ago I moved her to my friend's 180g tank, so sadly shes not with me anymore :(
but I think thats a better home for her, much more room than my 40g tank.
I was just afraid if other fish hurt her because she can't see with one of her eyes, there are a pair of big oscars and a 18" silver arowana in that tank, fortunately they got along well and shes now happy and healthy.

today the friend got some pics and sent them to me, here she is in her new home, thats a 20*26*88 inch tank.

now I'm keeping one of her little 2" brothers/sisters in the 40g, also got some small rainbow cichlids and a bichir there. so as always my tanks are over stocked! :14:

Tolley
08-28-2008, 09:19 PM
nice move on giving her a bigger home.

You did a good thing.

angelcakes
08-29-2008, 08:42 AM
she looks happy:19: :19: :19: