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FreakyFishie
01-28-2013, 12:40 AM
So I had 3 angel fish in the hopes I might get a pair. Well two of the fish paired off and laid eggs. They became so territorial towards the other angel that I had to rehome it with a friend. Anyhoo, they laid their eggs and were doing a good job protecting them, but by day 3 two thirds of the eggs were white. I know angels can have female/female pairings and I'm wondering how I might figure out if this is the case or if they just had a first spawning blunder and thats why all the eggs went infertile? I'm almost positive I have a hetero pair as the fish seem to follow the physical gender differences such as one having a big forehead and more rounded body shape, but I know those aren't for sure means of sexing.

funkman262
01-28-2013, 12:43 AM
http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquariumforum/showthread.php?t=75528

Jaster
01-28-2013, 03:04 AM
If its a young pair most likely they're still working out the bugs on what to do and how to do it. You can easily go though 3-5 spawns before they get it right. I have a pair on their 7th spawn. They get the eggs set and keep them clean but now the second they become wigglers they eat them. Its just going to take some time.

FreakyFishie
01-29-2013, 03:28 AM
So I took a video when they still had their spawning tubes out. I'm pretty sure I see a male and female tube, but I can't quite tell and was wondering if I could get some second opinions?

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/Babyrok/th_IMG_6098_zps71262479.jpg (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d54/Babyrok/IMG_6098_zps71262479.mp4)

Jaster
01-29-2013, 06:23 AM
Looks like it loaded as a picture not a video.... at least for me anyway. Can't tell from the pic but good looking angels

funkman262
01-29-2013, 12:54 PM
Looks like it loaded as a picture not a video.... at least for me anyway. Can't tell from the pic but good looking angels

If you click on it a video should open in a new tab/window.

Sorry FF but I can't tell from that video.

mommy1
01-29-2013, 01:22 PM
I can't tell from the video either but this link may help you, http://www.aquaticcommunity.com/aquariumforum/showthread.php?t=75528

FreakyFishie
01-29-2013, 02:41 PM
Thanks, but I've checked out the thread and I still can't tell >_< They spawned a week ago at this point so everything is back to being tucked inside and I just can't remember if I saw two different tubes or not so I'm trying not to get too hopeful only to be let down if they end up being F/F, I suppose now I'll just wait for them to breed again and try to get some good pics to figure this out.

Jaster
01-29-2013, 06:55 PM
Well in a couple weeks they should be trying again. Just keep an eye on them.

FreakyFishie
01-29-2013, 09:09 PM
lol pretty much. Though I guess it really doesn't matter as I don't necessarily want to breed angels so much as have a hetero pair in case I ever really want to. Or if for whatever reason I needed to sell them, I would be able to say what gender they were and if they were a breeding pair. It would just be cool to see how far they could get letting them do their thing if they are a hetero pair.

Lady Hobbs
01-29-2013, 10:40 PM
Well, if you have a mated pair, they will be spawning about every 18-20 days. Nothing new for them to eat their eggs after first spawns. I had my pair for a couple years and they ate "every" spawn. I could have moved the eggs but like you, did not want the babies. Babies require too darned many tanks.

If you do not want babies or fighting, then keeping one is just fine.

FreakyFishie
01-29-2013, 11:14 PM
Oh they didn't eat the eggs, they all went white so I got rid of them. I didn't move my angels, they stayed in the community tank. They were actually very good parents to their batch of dud eggs :)

funkman262
01-29-2013, 11:34 PM
Oh they didn't eat the eggs, they all went white so I got rid of them. I didn't move my angels, they stayed in the community tank. They were actually very good parents to their batch of dud eggs :)

Do you know for sure they were duds? When I had a breeding pair of angels (didn't intend to breed them) I remember the eggs being white.

Indian Woods Angels
01-30-2013, 01:25 AM
The female matures earlier than the male. This helps to defer brother sister crosses in the wild. She won't mate with her brother if he is too young, this fosters diversity. In a captive setting it can take 3 to 6 spawns before the male becomes properly fertile. Many times he is just a poor aim. Sometimes he just does not have enough milt. You can look at the eggs with a magnifying glass and see the embryo develop within the egg casing. Sometimes there is just an over whelming amount of bacterium that might eat the precious egg fats. In this case the egg will be lost.

FreakyFishie
01-30-2013, 01:56 AM
Do you know for sure they were duds? When I had a breeding pair of angels (didn't intend to breed them) I remember the eggs being white.

From what I've deducted from my extensive research, the infertile eggs or eggs that stop developing go white and the fertile still developing eggs are clear/translucent amber

Nailroth
01-31-2013, 03:53 PM
i would not worry to much just let them spawn a few times and they will get the hang of it, getting a F/F pair is highly unlikely but can happen, i have 6 pairs of breeding angelfish but only one pair really gets any fry to survive most of the pairs only get 10-15 fertile eggs. the pair i have that has spawned the most are the best just a week ago they laid egg in the large tank were i keep all my angels (19 in total) with some catfishes and this pair acctualy got them to free swimming without a problem took them out since i would like to keep the fry. like most say here angels take long to really understand how to do it. A friend of mine has a pair he have had for over 6 years and have spawned countless times still eats the fry when they become wrigglers

Goes to 11!
01-31-2013, 05:40 PM
Pictures are always helpful :11:. The only 100% reliable way I know is by viewing the breeding tubes when spawning, Here's what to look for:

Male: Click here. (http://aqualandpetsplus.com/Kathy%2033.jpg)

Female: Click here. (http://aqualandpetsplus.com/Kathy%2034.jpg)

Picture source. (http://aqualandpetsplus.com/Kathy%20Potts%20Angelfish%20Spawning.htm)

Good luck with your angels.
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